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Saturday, December 24, 2016

Challenge to Harvard Business School Professor Eugene Soltes to Debate his Book: "Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal," by Jeff Grant, JD, M Div


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Challenge to 
Harvard Business School Professor 
Eugene Soltes to Debate his Book: 
"Why They Do It: Inside the Mind 
of the White Collar Criminal"

by Jeff Grant, JD, M Div




Challenge to Harvard Business School Professor Eugene Soltes to Come to Greenwich CT to Debate his Book, "Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White-Collar Criminal."


I have issued a challenge to Harvard Business School Professor Eugene Soltes. I will meet him in Cambridge (or anywhere) to debate his book: "Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White-Collar Criminal." He can question me about my white-collar crime and ministry, and I can question him about his ethics in researching and writing his book. I hope you will attend if he accepts? This is a rallying cry against shame, stigma, and sensationalism and for criminal justice reform, compassion, empathy - and journalistic integrity.

Please join me in this challenge in your comments to this blog post or by email.
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As the Director of the first ministry in the U.S. created to support individuals and families with white-collar and nonviolent incarceration issues, and as someone who served time in a Federal prison for a white-collar crime I committed when I was a lawyer, I can state unequivocally that Professor Soltes's methodology and his conclusions are "pure rubbish." Why They Do It, and the press releases and media attention surrounding it, are shamelessly exploitive and are designed solely to sell books; they inflame bigotry and hatred and paint people with a broad brush designed to promote stigma, shunning and Schadenfreude (unfortunately, themes for our time it seems).

I am sure if we re-interviewed his subjects, most or all would say they had been duped into letting down their guards in sharing intensely personal details of their lives and feelings on the promise and belief that Soltes's book would be fair and balanced. If indeed he disclosed to them that he was writing a book at all?

We have worked with hundreds of men, women and families involved in and suffering from these matters, and most are not the subjects of the sensationalized headlines that Soltes claims to have interviewed. In fact, the overwhelming majority are ordinary people, professionals who live down the street, whose children play with yours, who simply got in over their heads due to desperation, addiction, compulsion or mental illness. Most didn't have the ego strength to simply talk to their spouses and admit that life was not going the way they had hoped and dreamed, until they had stepped over the line and it was too late.

Contrary to Soltes's core thesis statement, most have been mired in shame, guilt and remorse even before they were caught. It is terrifying and exhausting to spend their lives looking over their shoulders knowing that they've done something that far wrong. Whether they aware of it or not, almost all go through some kind of transformation from a material life to a more spiritual one. What other choice do they (we) have?

Although I probably have "interviewed" 4 or 5 times as many people accused or convicted of white-collar crimes and their families, I'm not arrogant enough to assert that I understand "why" anyone did or does anything. But then again, I didn't write a book claiming I do. Note the clever, and frightening, [person change in] the title of the Professor's book: why THEY do it: inside the mind of THE white-collar criminal! Aren't we a society that has fought against, and protected people from, this sort of propaganda that aggregates and assigns characteristics to an entire class of people in order to marginalize them and promote fear of them?

Our society has evolved enough that mass incarceration and related topics are now dinner-table conversation; they are finally part of the national debate. I am glad that we give many violent criminals a second chance, and indeed all of God's children deserves our empathy, compassion and kindness. But white-collar criminals have little such chance, largely because of the kind of book written by Professor Soltes. 

We can do better.


Rev. Jeff Grant, JD, M Div
Founder/Director, Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc., Greenwich CT & Nationwide, prisonist.org


Comments from Social Media (more comments below):

Bob Russel (CIPA 08) Hi There; In both my personal & professional opinion it appears to be two completely different points of view on this matter. I am both a Christian and member of the Church Council on Justice & Corrections. Secondly, I have training & experience in corrections, policing, Crime Stoppers mental health assessments & addictions. Therefore I can see both sides on this matter. Appears this topic needs to be resolved in both a frank, open & honest debate between these two people here. There are always two sides to a story and this matter needs to be decided in an open forum and allow people to make up their own minds on this very topic here!!!! Thank you very much.

 

Tom Walker Well, I, for one, am working hard to get more white collar criminals into jail so they can find the spiritual help they need.

 

Kevin Lewis, CFE This critique does not debunk Soltes'findings about why white collar criminals commit fraud. The only critique I saw was that they believed the wrongdoers were remorseful and went through a transformation while incarcerated. I hope this is true as it would mean that the penal system works. The information Soltes found as to why people commit fraud is consistent with the earlier work of Edwin Sutherland and Donald Cressey so it should not be discarded. 

 

Kathy Morse Shame, an overwhelming sense of guilt almost to the point of drowning in it, being paralyzed by it.... yet we somehow manage to take that life altering experience and make it our life's mission to fight for reform, for a right and just criminal justice system, if there is such a thing. To advocate for those we left behind because for someone who has experienced it, those voices, those images, those events are forever seared in our brain, memories that we cannot rid ourselves of. It's taking a negative, painful part of life and making it into the most positive learning experience in life.



Layne Pavey I think this issue should be researched more. I can certainly consider myself a perpetrator of this kind of crime, for which I served a federal sentence, but I'm not sure I put myself in this stigmatized category of "greedy, white banker." The population representing money crimes should be qualitatively studied, but only to find solutions and interventions. Not to exploit the desperation of those who were in tough places and had to make tough choices. Especially when people do admit they were bad choices and learn from their mistakes.


Barry V. Voss
Jeff: Like you, I'm a disbarred attorney who lost everything. Unlike you, I grew up in a St. Paul housing project and spent my formative years in and out of juvenile and adult corrections institutions while developing a prodigious drug habit. At 19 I went to prison for burglary, but finally decided to change my life's trajectory. I quit drugs, enrolled in group therapy and college-level courses in prison. Once out of prison, I attended the University of Minnesota, graduated with a B.A. in political science, went to Mitchell Hamline Law School and obtained a pardon. Upon admission, I established my own firm-concentrating on criminal defense-and practiced for 35 years during which I was repeatedly recognized as a Super Lawyer, One of the Top 40 Criminal Defense Lawyers and One of the Top 50 Appellate Lawyers in Minnesota Minnesota could never see past my criminal background as it tried on five occasions to take my license. Eventualy I lost my license in 2013 and was prosecuted in federal court for tax evasion.Since then I've tried to find work with little success; all doors seemed to close on me. However, while practicing I met people in the entertainment industry and penned a semi-autobiogrphical story-A Taste of Cold Steel-which I have now developed into a screenplay. I may be embarking on a new career as I have also outlined 4 more screenplays, and I'm completing my autobiography. From my perspective, organizations embrace people with inspiring stories to tell, but not those who lifted themselves up from the streets, succeeded in transforming their lives, lost it all and had to start all over again the second time. To me, these people are highly motivated and relate very compelling stories as they share-in real time-the apparent insurmountable obstacles while attempting to reestablish their rightful place in society. Congratulations to you. Barry V. Voss

Lisa Mayes Lawler Jeff I respect and appreciate your apology to Prof. Soltes. IMO social media has made reacting without digesting and reflecting all too easy. When we have a strong reaction to something there is a reason, or many reasons, and we must examine all sides of what caused that reaction and why. I would openly support both sides of the debate to see if some common ground might be shared.


Beth Corso I also would like to speak with Professor Soltes as in a pre-release interview, he was asked if the white collar criminals felt any remorse for his "victims". Professor Soltes responded that there was little remorse felt as the criminals felt so far removed from their victims. My strong response to Professor Soltes and any white collar criminal - THE VERY FIRST VICTIM IN YOUR CRIME IS YOUR FAMILY.

Dan Varley Great to see the principles of revovery in action!

 


9 comments:

  1. Well done. The good "professor" is isolated from reality, has no understanding of how many, many "criminals" are steeped in shame, remorse, and guilt, and are determined to do right. Soltes only perpetuates stereotypes and thereby does a disservice to all involved.

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  2. You make interesting points. What evidence do you present to back up you opinions?

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    1. Jacqueline PolverariDecember 28, 2016 at 10:27 AM

      WOW! Eugene Soltes truly needs to broaden his research in my opinion, perhaps spending a few days in a prison with white-collar felons would change his prospective a bit. In my opinion, he is so far from reality in his understanding of the mind of a white-collar felon. I feel that this kind of thought process, however is that of many college law professors. My daughter is in pre-law and recently did an extensive research paper on Understanding White Collar Crime. This is a subject she is obviously quite familiar with due to me being of that category. She did a true, extensive interview with 3 formerly incarcerated women and 2 women that are now incarcerated. She received a 68 on the paper because her Professor disagreed with her findings. I am not sure what his professional basis was on disagreeing with an opinion based research paper, she is now challenging the grade but it seems that his feelings were that she was too empathetic, my feelings were she was spot on. It is books like Eugene Soltes's and attitudes like my daughter's professor that truly enrage me.

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  3. FG's 'Outhouse Philosophy on White Collar Crime!"
    The only distinction between a White Collar and other Criminal Offences is the inchoate premeditation - necessarily required in White Collar Crime. The premediation is generally greater requiring some sophistication [Coupled with access.]. It is 'First Impression' devastation [Both latent and patent.] that get's overlooked. White Collar Crime damages a lot more people in its commission, devastates families structurally; as, opposed to other Criminal Offenses [For example: A bank robber who accidentally kills a person in the process of escaping. Compare that to the 'Housing Crisis' or Pyramid Scheme cheating elder's out of their bank accounts; or, fraudulent charity schemes or Adult Education scams. They all have remorse when they get caught and get religion thereafter. Other than that the White Collar Criminal stands a better chance of winning on appeal because they can afford good liar's [Strike that, I mean lawyer's.]. Making a distinction between the two without considering the extent of their pre mediation's and ancillary devastations is a prima facie fallacy [To say the least.]. On comparison, the only difference between White Collar Crime and Other Criminal Offences -- is the White Label. I see judges, prosecutor's, public pretender's, and clerks, in local, state, and federal government that commit inchoate offenses daily who will never stand trial; yet, equally devastate families and the public's interest.

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  4. Jeff,

    I'm an investigative reporter whose work has sent several men to jail. I'm a former longtime Greenwich resident who met you a few times before you went away.

    I'm not sure that I can say *why* these men did these crimes, and I assuredly don't feel comfortable with a series of interviews being conflated into a "unified theory of malfeasance" (or whatever), but the concept of people getting in over their head, of failing to communicate, etc...also doesn't strike me as quite right either. The people I've reported on were committed crooks, spending prodigious amount of effort to lie, cheat and steal.

    Still, I'll be the first to acknowledge that our system is so ridiculously screwed up, going after paralegals with "both barrels" while the architects of 2007-2008 are being appointed to government positions.

    All men and women fail. I'm glad your ministry is there for the silent sufferers left in the wake and I hope to economically support your effort some when I'm a bit more flush. Keep Going.

    Roddy Boyd
    Southern Investigative Reporting Foundation (sirf-online.org)
    Wilmington, N.C.

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    1. Roddy, I appreciate your balanced perspective and wonder why we in the legal profession even use the term "WHITE collar crime?" Isn't that term ipso facto used to distinguish it from "black" crime? If as Mr Grant claims, the majority of white collar criminals "ordinary people, professionals who live down the street, whose children play with yours, who got in over their heads due to desperation, addiction, compulsion or mental illness", then the while collar criminal is "like us" and therefore deserving of our sympathy or empathy. And that's the point of the label isn't it? To distinguish among types of criminals? the type that would commit crimes "we" would commit get lighter sentences, and lower security prisons. The criminals not like "us" get harsher sentences and worse prisons. This is the lesson behind the crack cocaine versus while powder cocaine crimes and sentencing guidelines. Same drug, same crime , same evil: only black "criminals" received 3-5 times longer sentences in hardened prisons than white 'criminals".

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  5. Jeff,
    I really appreciate your comments. It seems to me that it is easier to get a book published with certain credentials and not much understanding of the subject than someone who has lived that life, actually committed the crime and experienced incarceration. Interviews get edited, points of view are skewed and they publish it anyway!
    Thanks for bringing accuracy and accountability to this book!

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  6. I have very little respect for academics that try to make a name for themselves this way. There is no one sweeping profile of a "white collar criminal" and this book sounds misleading. It objectifies real humans and their real struggles and so I am glad you wrote this to shed light on this erroneous work.

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  7. Here we see our colleague, Rev. Jeff Grant "speak truth to power" and tell it like it is, calling the "professor's" book pure rubbish.

    Wherever and whenever we see people stereotyping ex-offenders or those in reentry we must speak out about it!

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